we need to protect their environment. we have a strict quarantine system to protect the integrity of the environment. forty years on, it's still a class-a nature reserve. it's our job to look after them. ...it's my job to look after it. ♪ >>> all right. welcome >>> all right. welcome back, everybody. first up, last week, president obama told a tv interviewer he didn't have immediate debt crisis. or we in america don't have an immediate debt crisis. and this weekend speaker boehner said basically the same thing. >> we do not have an immediate debt crisis. but we all know that we have one looming. >> all right. you know what, i think they both could be right. i don't think we have an immediate debt crisis. i like to see more growth, not just debt root canal. oh, my god, i said it. that's, by the way, why the business round table of american ceos is pushing hard for a lower, more competitive, more pro-growth 25% corporate tax rate. so let's talk about this. steve forbes, judd gregg, jared bernstein, still with us. all righ